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Financial crisis? Never heard of it.

Posted: Monday, October 20, 2008 4:00 PM by Allison Linn
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The Dow Jones Industrial Average is down something like 8 million points, the economy is in the tank and the federal government is spending hundreds of billions to bail out the financial system. So you’d think those in the financial services industry would be bending over backward to reassure jittery customers that their money is in better hands with a brokerage firm than, say, under a mattress.

Well, that would be wrong. Several weeks into one of the worst financial crises in modern history, few companies that help ordinary Americans invest their money appear to be doing something -- from a straight advertising perspective -- to try to convince us that we should do business with them.

Take, for example, the last few issues of The New Yorker, a magazine that is always rife with financial services ads. Flipping through the pages, we did find a number of witty cartoons on the subject -- "A banker, eh? Can you make a living at that?" one opined -- but we were sorely disappointed that almost none of the advertisers had updated their campaigns to address the current financial crisis.

Image: Fidelity Investments ad
Fidelity

Barclays Capital, which recently bought up some assets from bankrupt Lehman Brothers, boasted that it is sponsoring an art exhibit. Lincoln Financial Group trotted out the usual feel-good images of happy children basking in the glory of their parents great investment choices.

Vanguard’s ad featured two boats, one more weighed down than the other, in an attempt to argue that its cost structure is lower. T. Rowe Price urged investors to roll over their 401(k)s into its accounts.

Ameritrade’s ad featured its usual pitch that it wants your business even if you don’t make a million bucks. Merrill Lynch -- wait, weren’t they recently bought by Bank of America as part of this financial unraveling? You wouldn’t know from an ad focusing on one of its wealthy clients.

Fidelity Investments gets credit for alluding to the crisis. A New Yorker ad carried the tagline "Looking for more investment stability?" and a Newsweek ad argued: "In markets like these, put Fidelity’s 60 years of experience to work for you." Still, Fidelity loses points for missing the opportunity to get more creative. The New Yorker ad, for example, was otherwise just a boring page of text dominated by a list of yields on certain investment vehicles.

However, we also give Fidelity credit for bulking up its Web site with lots of plainly written pieces explaining the crisis and how it affects ordinary Americans. Charles Schwab’s site also sought to respond aggressively, prominently arguing, "During times like these, count on us for the help you need."

Vanguard’s site, by contrast, on a recent day featured yet again a comparison on costs -- an important issue, but surely not the first thing on investors’ minds these days.

Barclays was promoting its environmental goals -- again, laudable but not exactly on point -- while Merrill Lynch was touting its part in a $13.9 billion mining deal.

T. Rowe Price urged people who went to its Web site to "Invest with Confidence." In times like these, we’re guessing there isn’t a lot of that going around.

Update: Some readers have told us they are starting to see more financial services ads addressing the crisis. If you have a good (or bad) example, please post a comment to let us know about it.

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Ads are due to publications 4-6 weeks in advance, and then it takes time to develop new ads.  It's not real time.
You are ridiculous.  Working for a financial firm, I see where it is important to instill faith in the company that this people invest in.  We cannot change what has happened with the markets, but we can reassure the public that we are sound.  The media has driven the markets to this point with their "doom and gloom" theory's of depression.  If left alone without media interference, the markets would stabilize and people's trust could be restored - everything would balance back out fine - but the media's involvement of scare tactics only serves to make people even more frightened and conveniences them to withdraw and hide their money which is causing greater chaos.  
An important factor in the way these companies are advertising, what with the 'rescue plan' and the nationalization of 9 large banks, is that the government is watching.  It would be irresponsible for any one company to say an individual's money is 'safer' with them.  

Investors already have a hair trigger for panic, hence the changing marketing messages moving in geological time.  

(Not to mention, with all of the acquisitions, the people who normally vet ad copy are, er, rather busy at the moment with M&A stuff.)
Check out the 10/27 issue of The New Yorker and see what MassMutual did, creative, confident, out of the box.  Would love your comments!
Jason - several companies are already hawking products with the frugal consumer in mind. Two I can think of off the top of my head are a bread (I think it's Wonder) and some processed cheese food... I've no idea the timelines for tv opposed to print and I understand the time would be different for monthly publications and weekly - but in today's fast paced world we expect ads to be on target quickly. I have no idea if it was in the works before, but that silly trio singing about credit woes (refuse to name it - I'm furious at all things that deal with credit and will NOT give it free mention) did the bicycle ad in quick time when the gas prices hit the roof. I would imagine producing a commercial like that takes a decent amount of time.

Personally, I don't know how some of them have the audacity to even advertise. AIG is one on my short (but growing)list. Even knowing that it wasn't the whole company that screwed up - I wouldn't trust that bunch to manage my baby's diaper changes.
Jeremy"s comment is ridiculous but par for the course from a financial services company.
Why do people blame the media for everything?
FInancial advertising for the most part is irrelevant, smug and self obsessed
I'm not sure I can trust Jeremy's "theory's" and "conveniences."  His mastery of English appears to be limited.  How good can his financial advice be?
Isn't this the same columnist that completely missed the boat on that Old Spice? What the hell is she still doing writing columns? Its clearly evident her head is buried in the sand. As many folks have correctly pointed out, those ads are booked weeks in advance. The ad dollars are spent and it would be more expensive to pull them than to create a new campaign to address the market developments that happened in the past 3 weeks....Jeez, can someone pleease pull the keyboard away from Allison?
Can you still make money in those industries????
They can spend all the bailout money on advertising but I will never give those jerks a dime to manage.  The only thing I can see that they managed is to create a financial meltdown/crisis.  They have a lot of nerve to ask consumers to let them manage there money.  I think anyone who has an account with an investment bank (or what used to be an investment bank) should pull all of there money out and put it in safe T-bills.  They’re all self center arrogant AH’s based on the video clips I saw of them at a party (Cigar party) drinking and laughing the day the market dropped 600 points and the taxpayers bailed them out with 700 billion dollars.  They all said they new the government would keep them a float because they were the economy.  They are nothing but a bunch of snake oil salesmen and crooks.
First of all, the many of the companies mentioned above are not investment banks but brokerage firms. They did not create the subprime mess, and no advisor can predict the future, everyone assumes things will keep going up until they start going down, and yes the media is complicit in the crisis. But the real blame lies with the governemnt creating mandates that eased lending standards so everyone can have a house. A house is not part of life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Next in lin eare the mortgage lenders, who with the help of Fannie and Freddie, could package bad loans and sell the risk. The investment banks did have a hand, gorging themeselves on supposedly safe debt but to extremes that overexposed the firms. However, the utlimate blame lies with the average joes. Those who bought homes they could not afford. Those who invested in things they did not understand. Those who are willfully ignorant or so naiive as to trust anyone who is an expert (financier, reporter, or politician). The government will not get us out of this mess. We as a nation created this mess, and we are reaping what we sowed. We wanted unrealistic returns, big houses, TVs, and cars. We wanted it all today, no money down, and wanted to pay tomorrow. When we made bad decisions we wanted someone else to take the blame, assume responsibility, and clean up the mess. We all wanted to live like our idols on Cribs with none of the income. Credit addiction is a disease and until we can find a cure, no wealth distributions, government bailouts, or risky financial scheme will help us. Look in the mirror and you will find the blame, do you really think your broker can help you when the government is changing the rules daily.
also, bama who are you to offer investment advice?
I got a very reassuring letter from Edward Jones. Not everyone is doing nothing.
I agree, somewhat, with cary, from fort worth, I think we all need to take a hard look at ourselves and how far beyond our means we've been living. However I also beleive that, to some degree, we were led to this point.  We've all heard about preditory lending and how it has contributed to this economic mess, but how about preditory advertising.  You can't open a magazine, sit through a television program, open you're mail, answer your phone or surf the web without being inundated with ads about everything from ...refinancing your home....or "are looking for money now?".... "hey, how about a pretty pink credit card....just click here".  Obviously I'm oversimplifying, but with all this information not just available, but shoved in your face, it's hard to know what's true and what's bs.  It's easy to say we've been naive, but that would mean we've been making uninformed decisions.  When in reality we've had too much information thrown at us.  Apparently bad information.  But whether we decide to acknowledge all of the contributing factors or not, it won't be the mortgage companies that pay, or the advertisers, or even the media, it will be us that pays for it.  And our children as well.  
I agree with part of what Cary said, but the ultimate blame is with the lenders.  Owning a home is the American dream so how can you blame millions for trying?  They kept telling my family we could get a home for $200,000 more than what we went for and can barely afford.  Their greed overwhelmed everything.  I live in AZ and the home I put $60,000 down on is now worth $15,000 less than what I owe.  Bush passed laws to encourage this mess and now is trying to act like he's the savior of our time.  If you ask me the s--- storm we're in started the day he entered office....looking forward to 2009!
check out Reliable Investments' ad from 2006.  they knew it was coming before everyone else.  http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/reliable-investments/698541/
I'm surprised by the naivete Ms Linn demonstrates in this article:  Any entry-level media planner knows that magazines have a long lead time, up to 90 days before publication date, for advertisers to deliver their ad material; The New Yorker has a shorter lead time, 4 weeks.  B of A bought Merrill Lynch about 4 weeks ago, so there's no mystery why their ad (or others like it) are running.
cary - You forgot to mention realtors.  Don't they typically have a vested interest in home buyers' overspending, since they are usually paid on a percentage basis?  I have yet to hear anyone going after this group.  From my own experience, realtors try to put you in a home you can't afford.  And once the deal is done, they're gone.
Well said, Cary! I couldn't agree with you more. There is a lot of greed in corporate America, the financial markets and in politicians but you're foolish if you don't think that same sickness runs through the veins of just about every american who isn't satisfied with what they have. You reap what you sow.
this is not a very good piece as companies need to try to keep a level of normality in a crisis like this if they didnt every invester would think the company is a sinking ship and sell out. That is why the companies make ads that reasure there investers that everything is alright with there happy ads even though it isn't it keeps people with cooler heads.
Yes,yes, the subprime mortgage crisis, the economic meltdown etc etc. Everyone back up a little and think about what went sky high before anyone felt the impact of being unable to pay a mortgage.... yes, now you are remembering.... OIL PRICES!!! Something has to dig into peoples pockets to cause economic turmoil before people become cash poor. An essential part of life as we live it. Oil has caused increasingly sky high consumer costs in every way of life. This was the cause of our inflated value of everything we lived or bought. Now that there is no more money to suck out of the people, they have to back down again. Not everyone can remember what OPEC did to America back in the 70's but they have a way of impacting our economy in such a manner while being supported by big oil companies in the U.S.A. and backed by politicians. They want us to look at mortgages and the credit crisis, but it is always something that precipates these things that gets us, and yes folks, remember the price of gasoline and its steady rise for the last two years... My how quick we forget!
They Were All Wrong.

Consumers got sold a bill of goods on their greed and past performance.
Mutual Funds perform woefully worse than the stocks they usually hold
All these net redemptions right now are now realized losses...not paper losses.

How to deal with it.

Simple only buy Investments GIC'S/ Bonds etc. These should be at least 40% of any portfolio. 30% cash.
Finally 30% in(Yes Buy) high quality, increased earnings stock with a 15-20 year track record of dividends. Let the rest alone.

While the markets have chalked up triple digit losses and shed 50 to 60% in real value. this approach would have you meet growth expectations and limit downside losses to about 2.5%.

Last DO NOT trade,And do not let any mutual fund show you exagerated figures that it exceeded the markets as a whole. The very nature of Mutual Funds diversifies risk but with the winners usually the top 10% you inevitably get 90% of marginal or dog stocks.

This is the only shot at creating wealth based on FUNDAMENTALS the global markets may see for some time. These prices occur once in a lifetime, government intervention has all but secured a deep and prolonged recession... with that said cheap stock prices, dividend paying companies and small earning growth shows adaptability and good management a key to long term growth and success.

IT IS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD... Juat a cyclical realignment.
Well written Cary!
I do agree with ONE thing that Jeremy had to say; that the media does aggravate the situation. Every time a story comes on about the economy, my heart goes cold with the fear of "what now"?
If we do go belly up--will it be quick? Will networks interrupt regularly scheduled programs to announce it is over? Or, will we just continue to die a slow death?
Fidelity has sent out e-mails and a "how to deal with the crisis" article. Apparently they want me to keep the few pennies I have left in my 401(k) that they haven't flushed down the old porcelain fixture.
Whatever, whoever caused all this crap is surely making people want to pull their money out.  If you're relatively young and have plenty of time before you retire - BUY NOW. Many people made a total killing in the market after the first crash over 50 yrs ago...  remember the old adage - "Buy low, sell high".

This is of course for those who actually have any money left.  As for the rest of us - I've got no idea. I say just wipe everyone out from wall st and washington and get the real smart people in there willing to work for the people.  Yeah, I know... when pigs fly.
Well written, Cary, from Fort Worth.
Yes we did want unrealistic returns, big T.V's, big cars and homes.
Unfortunately, we have become a nation that has been marketed to.  It seems that everything is geared to the big MO (as in MONEY)..
OK. Let's shut the tv down for a night or week or month and don't listen to news or canned laughter or the stupid stuff that comes out of someone's need to be somebody else.
Love your wife or husband and kids, welcome your new neighbors and comfort the the ones in your community, that may be ill, with a pot of chili or chicken soup or a phone call. Read a book, go for a walk or a bike ride.  Say positive things to family, co-workers, maybe even strangers.
Let's live our own lives for ourselve's and not for banks or hollywood.  Our richest treasures are not counted in dollars, but in relationships.
Chickens come home to roost - why does every analyst in America seem to think that the American People are infallible?  It's about time we started getting realistic about the funny money we "printed" to make ourselves that much better than the rest of the world.  
Bad planning, poor education, and a peculiar celebration of material greed has placed us squarely where we belong in the world picture, and I'm not worrying at all.
I totally agree with Cary from Ft Worth. And also the person who mentioned realtors.  The bank tried to tell us we could afford a $300k house,the realtor started looking at $300k houses to show us. Had to tell her to keep it under $200k, something we felt we could afford, not what the bank felt we could afford.

We need to look at ourselves and the greedy.  I'm not worried because I didn't fall for their BS.  If you did, I'm sorry for you.
One factor with the glut of homes now foreclosed on and on the market that I never hear mentioned is the greedy developers and their paid lackey's in many local governments-like here in Florida. Wages are very low in the so called sunshine state-no kidding about what they were 20 years ago-and yet the cost of living is comparable to the nations average. Thousands upon thousands of acres have been turned into sub-divisions and strip malls in the past 8 to 10 years. I kept asking "where are all these people working to afford these homes?" Now we know. They couldn't afford the homes. Hardly any working class person in Florida can afford anything. Yet the developers and local officials just kept issuing permits, building houses, and choking the local infrastructures.
I find it hard to believe that long experienced developers like Lennar and others didn't realize this was not sustainable. The local county and city officials had to see this too. Yet they kept and to a lesser degree, still keep building.
As posted above-gas prices were the proverbial straw, but the camel was overburdened to the extreme already.
The real estate and mortage sales businesses have become scum, like used car salesman. I've never met one or a developer that wasn't a greedy shyster. But the elected and appointed officials of local municipalities are also part of this horrible mess.
Addressing Joe Plumbed's comment....as a Realtor I have a fiduciary duty to both Buyers & Sellers. But by law, I cannot give them legal advice. I never had one buyer take on a sub-prime loan or ARM....but I counselled several to really study the Buyers net sheet and amortization schedule I supplied to them after they got loan approval. All of them opted to save and wait till they could obtain a 30 yr. fixed rate. I know that most of my clients have the bulk of their life savings tied up in Real Estate, and that fact deserves my utmost consideration and respect. I have never tried to talk a buyer into a home they could not afford....but from my experience Buyers are not ever very forthcoming to me with their finanacials.  That is their business with the lender, and people are very reluctant to tell their Realtor the details of their income and expenses.  It is also true that many many home-buyers took on heavy additional debt after taking title.  Predatory credit card companies from big-box stores to Capital One
(& car loans)...solicited these new homeowners with deceptively low introductory rates, and pages of fine print terms that led them into a downward (upward?) spiral of very high rates & debt that can never be satisfied. There's another area where regulation is long overdue.  Let's bring back some anti-usury laws. We may not have debtors' prisons per se, but eternal debt, poverty or homelessness seems mighty like prison to me.
And PLEASE don't forget the lenders who "helped" millions of people lower their monthly payments with the dream of borrowing your way out of debt. Can anyone say Countrywide, HSBC, and many others?
On a related topic: On MSNBC's mainpage there is a story every day about the crisis often mentioning sub-prime mortgages as the root cause. Today Alan Greenspan is there saying he had no idea and he did not see it coming. On the same page there are all the usual ad's for sub-prime mortgages -- no credit - no problem, no SSN needed, borrow $300,000 for only $499 a month. Why has nothing changed? Incidentally, Alan Greenspan obviously never checks out websites like MSNBC or he would hve seen the problem straing him in the face.
My husband is a residential realtor who specializes in first time home buyers.  He tells horror stories of lenders who tell young buyers they can afford far more than they comfortably can.  Although he cannot make their decisions for them, he considers it his responsibility to counsel them to carefully read the fine print on lending offers and consider what will happen if the interest rate on an ARM loan rises or a life event occurs that decreases their income.  He likes his job and his profession and works hard to get them the right house.  He's not out for the quick buck, please don't stereotype all realtors as being out for nothing but the money.
Not everyone facing foreclosure is a deadbeat, live beyond their means, or have a subprime home loan.

I bought a house and income producing land at 6%, 30 yr. fixed, with 27% down.  Come Wilma and Katrina and besides replacing inventory the insurance went up.

Then comes Miami-Dade County taxing through the roof. The economy started slowing down and so did my sales.
I had to lay off my helpers because I couldn't afford them, and finally closed the business last February because I was in the red and using savings to survive.

My vehicle is paid for but still needs insurance. By the same token, I am not taking my medicines because I can't pay MY insurance.  My savings are drained.  I am down to 113 pounds because I can not afford to buy enough food, nor can apply for food stamps because I have no income and (again) have been living off my savings.


Contrary to others, and because of a large down, the property still has equity but can't sell it because nobody is buying. I have paid my mortgage until last month, but finally I am in default, and my credit is down the tube. I have worked hard all of my life and now I have nothing to show for it.

I can't retire because I am not old enough, but can't find work because I am too "mature" and there are no jobs available even though I am willing and able.

Is it my fault?  YES. Instead of investing $325,000 in this money pit in Miami, I should have bought for a lot less money retirement property in Costa Rica (like all my friends have done) and I could have lived like a queen in the American community they have there.  Now my future is a pop-up tent in the Everglades (if I am lucky).






Why doesn't ANYONE TELL THE TRUTH?  THE ROOT CAUSE OF THIS SICK AMERICAN ECONOMY IS THE UNREGULATED FREE TRADE AGREEMENTS WHICH SUCKED THE LIFE RIGHT OUT OF AMERICANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  And of course with FULL REPUBLICAN SUPPORT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   NAFT + CAFTA = 0 JOBS = 0 ECONOMY = AMERICAN MELTDOWN DISASTER    8 MILLION JOBS (AND STILL COUNTING) SINCE 2000 TOO FOREIGN COUNTRIES!!!!!  I DO NOT CALL THAT AMERICAN BUT PURE GREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I find it interesting that, in the present environment of panic over our own irresponsibility, we are listening to and believing the words of politicians who promise that they will be modern-day Robin Hoods, taking from the rich and giving to the poor. That is EXACTLY what has caused the crisis! We have been accepting the offer of easy credit and living beyond our means now for the last couple of decades. What we all need is to take a hard look at our income and spend accordingly. Champagne taste and beer pocketbook are not compatible. Send the "financial wizards" packing and get a realistic life of your own.
To Laura from Phoenix - Actually, it was the Clinton administration that pushed and approved the "everybody should have the opportunity to own a house" schtick which led to the glut of sub-prime lenders. Since these things always take time to come to their eventual conclusion - this administration inherited the prior administration's consequences.  Undoubtedly, the next administration will end up dealing with the mess created by the bail-out. And so on and so forth.

I do agree with several others, though - the media is complicit in the current crises - but so are we. Tragedy and drama sell newspapers, magazines and boost TV ratings.  Readers/Viewers must keep that knowledge forefront in their minds when ingesting the daily bombardment of information.

Finally, the ball really rests in our courts. We have to look at our personal spending, our personal credit, our personal debt and we have to bail outselves out.  No government - no administration - no matter who wins the election in November - is going to help the average person pay the phone bill.  If we've made bad decisions, we have to live with them and get out of them ourselves.  We need to suck it up and quit looking for somebody else to blame.
For all of the folks, like me, who have lost 40 to 50% of their 401(k) savings in the last year... why is it that my only investment options are different kinds of stocks? My company-sponsored plan is through one of the advertisers mentioned above, and has lost 42.3% in this year alone (and nearly 54% in the last two years).  Which means that for every dollar I've put in, and every dollar that my employer matches, I'm actually putting $0.94 (before taxes) toward my retirement.  After taxes, that means I'm likely "making" no more than 35 cents on the dollar.  Who is profiting from this?  Because it's certainly not me.

Finally, is there a 401(k)/(c) plan that allows for invested funds to NOT realize the risks of the stock market?  I'm tired for having worked for 25 years, and having nothing substantial to show for it, except a mortgage and monthly bills.  Guess I should be glad that I'm still employed.
Just a few comments. First, regarding the long lesd time. In the days following September 11, 2001, there were not a whole lot of print ads for the airlines now were there? When other business crises have occurred, certain companiesseem to have no problem taking out full page ads on the spur of the moment. The lead time excuse is apologism, plain and simple. Over $1.5 trillion of taxpayer money has gone into the financial industry(and I yse that term loosely) since November 7, 2007. Money is not exactly an object here, especially for those publications who largely depend upon financial advertising.
Now, let's take a look at those unwise borrowers. True, we have all been tolsd to read the "fine print", and to make sure we understand any contract before affixing our signature to it, but let's be real. government edicts or no, in a climate where "goverment is the problem", and the so called "free market" knows best, lenders are expected to practice the prudence that made them successful businesses in the first place. For example: J.P. Morgan- founded in 1799; Washington Mutual*- founded in 1889:; Lehman Bros.* founded in 1850; Bear Stearns*- 1923. These are just a few, but my point is this: Are we expected to believe that these and other companies, who mission is to lend money for a profit, who have weathered storms such as, the Panics of 1893, 1907, the Great Depression, and several other downturns of lesser severity, suddenly all got stupid at the same time and said, "Let's lend huge sums of money to people we would never have lent to before, and hope that everything works out all right"? That people didn't know they were losing their homes before the press told them? Yes, signing a contract is like breaking an item in the proverbial China shop, but be not fooled: The ultimate victims in this crisis are those very same people whose reach far exceeded their grasp. Just because they were pound foolish didn't mean that their financial enablers had to be also. If I allow my toddler to crawl into the street in front on an oncoming car, is it the toddler's fault, or mine. For a chance to make a tranch, many brokers, lenders etc., have contributed to a calamity that we all must now share, though we would have been on the outside looking in had this Ponzi scheme succeeded. When you point a finger at someone else, four point back at you.

* Deceased
Thanks for sharing this great ad article with us!
Advert should be nice as your blog is!
Some of us were able to foresee the coming crisis and prepare properly. When I was facing possible foreclosure on my condo, I refinanced, but I made sure that the financing was on my terms. Even though I agreed to 14% (yes, bear with me), I made sure that there would be no penalties if I sold. I used the proceeds of the refinancing to remodel my condo and put it on the market at the very height of the bubble because I knew it would come crashing down shortly thereafter. I sold the condo for double what I had purchased it for just four years prior. Now, two years later, it is worth less about 60% of what I had sold it for. I used the proceeds from the sale to pay off my car and all of my credit cards and lived on the rest for about a year. I probably never should have even been eligible for the refinance loan, but I used their poor lending practices for my advantage and came out on top. While some may think that I took too much advantage of the situation, I disagree. I'm an intelligent adult who simply made capitalism work for me.
As has been said many times, Cary had the right idea.  I keep asking where is my government bailout because I have made several horrendous financial decisions.  However I do understand the bailout will never come for me, and shouldn't because most of my problems are my own making.  I can list excuses from here until the end of time but bottom line is I want what I can't afford.  In addition I am a salemans dream.  You'll give me 10% of todays purchase if I apply for an in-store credit card---sure.  Between the Visa, American Express, Macy's, JC Penney's, Mervyns, Sears, In-Store credit lines and special Banking Credit lines I have enough credit available that I could easily charge up more than my yearly income in a weekend. I have a mortgage payment, carpayment and an unhealthy amount in credit card debt and it is still a battle to not to spend.  I read the headlines and I start to panic but I know the position I am in is of my own making no matter how aggresive the marketing (and it can be very aggressive.)  But I still hope to when the lottery which will be hard since I live in Utah where there is no lottery.  
Cary, I agree with your idea.

I will graduate college next year without debt because of my parents. We have 5 houses paid off and my parents probably do not make over 50,000$ a year combined! They pay off their mortgages early and simply put a big downpayment. It is so simple, but many people cannot save because they want things at the moment. We live in a very modest house, and we don't drive race cars. I prefer living with the peace of mind, rather than 800,000$ on a house or 50,000$ on a BMW.  
No one is pointing a gun at anyone's head to buy a house. Realtors made money, but it was the buyers who ultimately agreed to buy the house.

..Alas I am a Mortgage Broker...We did not invent any new loans, or sold any houses, were merely put the circle peg into the circle hole.  If you owe more on your house than it is worth call the lender and "modify" your mortgage its free and they will slice off $100-$200K off of your mortgage and give you a reasonable payment, but they will not talk to you until you are late on your loan FYI....

Clients would apply for an A paper mortgage but would not qulify then we would re-submit their loan as as ALT-A loan, then if that did not work and only then a Sub-Prime loan.  The lenders sold poision pills in all those sub-Prime loans 2/28 ARM and 3/27 ARM's with margins at almost 5%(In english the rate starts at 5% then jumps to 10%after 2/3 years respectively), many of my clients listened to my advice and we refinanced them bask up the credit ladder, after repairing their credit; others did not and they no longer have a home.

Question why should we bail out the banks that developed a business model destined for failure...also why are we so fixated on saving people who bought houses with no money down? Furthermore, why are we only helping the people who aren't paying their loans?  What about a "sucker" like me that is paying his mortgage on time?
It is amazing how quickly the companies that took our billions of dollars have quickly come out with ads to say they are really watch dogs over our money and how carefully they handle our retirement savings. What a joke. They stole our savings twice (lost it in reckless investing and then borrowed or were given 700 billion from the US government) and now they have our money again to tell us to give what is left so they work to finish lining their pockets. Dumb, Dumber, Dumbest. That is us. The American public.
To get down to brass tacks, the financial services industry is not interested in anyone who has lost money. They are only interested in gaining control of the money you currently have. If they happen to "lose" your money, it is then your problem, not theirs. (Note that money does not cease to exist. It still exists somewhere, even though it almost magically disappears from your account.)
These people are all over paid for their service and need to be more honest with there adds ,telling investors what their total take on sales is.If they did get paid the same rates as most of us there would not be a problem.
What really sucks, is that I get to help pay for what others have screwed up.  I bought a home I could afford.  I have 1 credit card, paid off, and yet, I will feel the pain of others that have not lived within their means.

I think all the banks, auto industry and such should go bankrupt and let the american industry start over again.

Rebirth is the way to go, dont make us who are finacially responsible pay for those who are not.
Capitialism = BUY NOW, BUY ALOT, WORRY ABOUT PAYING FOR IT LATER
Just look at everything the government is telling us now; if you want this country to continue as is buy, buy, BUY.  Even if you think that saving for a rainy day is prudent.  Credit card companies do not make money off of freeloaders who have 0 balances on their accounts. So being conservative with your money is just what the gov't is telling you NOT to do right now.  Kinda like stepping in a frying pan and being told that getting out of it is not a good idea.


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