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Microsoft’s new advertising Vista

Posted: Monday, August 04, 2008 4:00 PM by Allison Linn
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This is how bad things have gotten for Microsoft Corp.: The software behemoth has a virtual monopoly in computer operating systems, and yet it still can’t get people to buy the latest version of its flagship product, Windows.

In fact, things are so bleak for Windows Vista that customers have actually launched campaigns aimed at saving Vista’s stiffest competition -- the previous version of Windows, XP, which is now so old in technology years that it should qualify for Social Security.

To Microsoft’s credit, the company knows it has a problem, and it has decided to address it directly with an ad campaign arguing that the product isn’t as bad as people think it is. To their detriment, they’ve fumbled that, too.

(Msnbc.com is a joint venture of Microsoft and NBC Universal.)

Image: The Mojave Experiment
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A new campaign, called the "Mojave Experiment," shows a series of regular users who seem to like Windows Vista a lot -- as long as they don’t think it’s Windows Vista. Instead, the users have been told that they are seeing a demonstration of "Mojave," an even newer version of the operating system.

The campaign also includes many of the negative things people have heard about Vista, to get a sense of why so many people think they won’t like it.

The idea behind that is apparently to show that there is little context behind these suppositions. But here’s the problem: there’s also little context to this campaign.

We don’t actually see much footage of people trying Windows Vista, so we don’t know how much they actually did themselves, versus how much they were shown by an experienced marketer.

That’s important because it’s one thing for a paid expert to walk people through a demonstration on a high-powered computer, with all the bells and whistles installed and the latest components added. It’s quite another to try to play your favorite, 5-year-old computer game on the machine, import your family photos or hook up that ancient printer without the benefit of tech support.

We also don’t know whether the subjects were able to directly address the issues users have complained about, such as sluggishness with older or cheaper computers, or incompatibility with existing products.

Plus, we don’t know whether the people they show are a representative sample of the public. Microsoft says it polled 140 people, and most of them liked "Mojave" better than they thought they’d like Vista. But the company doesn’t say who conducted the interviews or offer other evidence of whether this was an unbiased experiment.

In short, we feel manipulated, not convinced.

Elsewhere in the campaign, Microsoft takes a page from movie promoters and pulls a one-liner from a long review of Vista. The company boasts that The New York Times "raved" about the operating system when it first came out, writing "Windows Vista is beautiful."

In fact, the Times was talking about the actual physical appearance of Vista, not the compatibility issues and other problems users have complained about. The actual article’s headline reads: "Vista Wins on Looks. As for Lacks …"

Faced with an unpopular operating system, Microsoft is right to face its detractors head on. It’s just taken the wrong approach.

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I work on Windows XP all day at work and have Vista at home.  I like both of them and have no problems with either.  Change is not always easy, but people really need to learn to adapt.
Microsoft has their nerve!  There isn;t a day that goes by that I don't curse the damn thing.  I have been using Windows since its inception and how Microsoft ever got to be king of the mountain beats me.  Compared to the Mac, Windows was a joke.  Over the years it inched it was toward some semblance of stability and then along came Vista.  Fr the first year it crashed every single day, no lie.  Now it only crashes twice a week.  I still have compatibility problems with nearly everyhing and I wish someone would launch a class action lawsuit against those bastards.  What Microsoft has done with that operating system is nothing more than outright negligence and perhaps fraud.  The have a knowingly defective product that costs ever single use lost work and much frustration - that's negligence.
It won't matter how many ads Microsoft runs, I am not giving up my XP.  I have Vista on my laptop and I hate it.  It is so slow.  Species go extinct faster than that thing loads. It won't run some of my son's games (he's 10 and we are talking low key games like Clue Finders) and it wouldn't even run some of his movies.  I would like Microsoft to explain to me how running the dvd of a kids movie is a security threat on Vista.   My desktop computer runs XP and will be until Vista is dead and buried.

I just built an enthusiast PC and bought myself a copy of Vista 64-bit. I must say at first I was worried, I had played with OSX and it was well-rounded with amazing features that ran perfectly. Well after using the 64-bit version of Vista for the past two months I have to say I've had little to no problems using it and the OS itself is blazing fast since it runs everything (in terms of using Vista itself, other programs have to be written to take advantage of a 64-bit processor) 64-bit.

I will say I think OSX has more organizational features in terms of your desktop and windows (Spaces and Expose) and the OSX dock is vastly superior (you can stack files, folders, and organize them neatly with ease with the dock) to Vista's task bar that hasn't advanced much since XP. I do have to say the Aero interface is beautiful, but you need a decent amount of RAM to use it - same with the 64-bit version. I have 4GB of RAM and just running the interface costs me 1GB of RAM.
It's amazing to me why vista's hated so much. Personally I have one machine at at work and four machines (laptop + home server + desktops) with variety of vista installed. All working fine and snappy.

On a second thought, I guess you can blame the variety of hardware you can throw at Windows system. You can't really say that for mac. People are talking about mac being fast and stable. Well, if they had used the older iBook, just before they switched to Intel, they wouldn't be complaining too much.
I have three laptops, two with window XP (which I love) and a new one with Vista which I detest. I let my hubby use the new one with windows Vista. I cannot stand it. It's terrible. I put it on par with the the operating system that came before windows XP. That's so bad I cannot even remember what the hell that's called. I gave that one to my son!! I have had windows 98, that was great. Why do they keep messing with them and screwing them up???? Vista sucks!!!
2 years ago Microsoft Emailed me that Win98SE is no longer supported. XP would be supported 2 more years.
I waited for Vista until Jan.30'08 and bought Home Premium pre-installed in a new desktop HewletPackard Pavilion a1730n.  It kept freezing and wouldn't sleep. The back-ups I was prompted to make kept failing (HomePremium doesn't have backup feature). I only learned I could have gotten free Microsoft help AFTER too-short Vista warranty period was over.  I was "recovered twice over the phone, then had HewletPackard send be their Recovery Disks.  I spent countless hours on the phone with HP's outsourced overseas help (they have same training but not command of English language) until 9-29-07. On 9-29-07 a competent phone technician in CANADA fixed it so that I actually got to like Vista.

A month ago I tackled the failed SP1 update and had first crash I had to pay to have fixed. Microsoft System Restore failed (could not go to earlier date). HP's Recovery disks failed: "Boot manager missing," and HewletPackard also failed - when I called I was told that this computer is now TOO OLD to be helped.
I took it to Geeks in BestBuy store with the disks. Geeks recovered faulty Vista (in need of 52 updates) for $130 overnight but it rarely sleeps, 22"monitor's resolution is now a lower 1280 x 1024, I get prompts to backup again and many of the 52 needed updates failed again. A year ago I spent 3 weeks Emailing a Microsoft Windows Update professional to fix updating.  This time I rooted around Ms KBs and luckily got Service Pack 1 to work and to heck with the rest.
Old Dell with Win98SE still works offline.  I should have bought Vista on a Dell.
 
Vista is great when it works.
The Gateway computer I bought came with Vista and as we don't have a lot of other software installed on it, Vista seems to work with MS products.  The other software I purchased had all sorts of issues, ex the Norton Anti virus didn't work with my email.  Very clever of MS make an OS that only works with MS software.
My answer to Microsoft operating systems problems. By a Mac.  The only time I use a PC is at work, and not by choice.  
Vista is just a piece of junk. I have had more problems with it than I did with 98 and XP. I have gotten no support to fix my issues and all microsoft wants to do is point the finger at everything else. It all comes down to the same thing that every big company has in common. GREED. I am working on the best fix for vista that is available. I'm buying a MAC.
Vista Sucks, plain and simple!

BRING BACK THE XP!!!
I'm a CEO of a multi-million $ corp and operate several e-commerce sites. Vista is a NIGHTMARE. I'm running a 1 year old HP Pavillion Laptop with an extra gig of ram.. bringing it to 2 gigs total (ya- 1 gig from factory- i'm pissed that HP would even try to do this). I know what I'm doing when it comes to this stuff, and i've NEVER seen a computer run SO SLOW. This thing runs outta memory constantly. I'm only running a suite of macromedia products, email and web browser and it either tells me the memory is full -or- just doesn't open new windows (extra frustrating). I ran the same progs with an older, "slower" XP machine and NEVER HAD THESE PROBLEMS. THIS IS SO ANNOYING! ARGHHHH!!!! I HATE VISTA!!! I WANT XP!!! >: (
I wiped my pc 3 months ago and decided to give vista a try, this is what I discovered. Nothing worked, but no problem there, just had to download new drivers for printers, video etc. After a 3 month trial I discovered you can't bun dvd's with vista withou buying even more expensive software. I already had nero 7, but it is not compatable with vista. I decided I was not going to buy nero 8 just to keep vista happy. I also had a warning that everytime I started vista that the video driver stopped responding, but it recovered itself, annoying, but just doesn't need to happen. After trying several dvd free burning programs, which wouldn't copy a dvd, I came to the conclusion that vista sucks, so I wiped my harddrive again and reinstalled xp. Now everything works again and I can copy dvd's. I too would like a new operating system, and I have tried them all, including a mac. With a mac you will soon discover that it is a windows world, and mac is fine for emailing and making your kids party invitations, but nothing else. I also tried all the major brands of linux, but the problem with linux is there is no easy way to install programs like in windows. Face it, windows is the way to go, and for now xp fills the bill. Maybe the next version will not be as bloated as vista, an operating system just doesn't need to be that big, that is a warning sign right there.
It doesn't do anything for an average user like me that XP didn't do and caused me problems and expense to replace programs and hardware I was perfectly happy with.  I wish I had read more about Vista before I bought a new computer.  I think Microsoft has gone the way of many large companies (e.g. GM, Chrysler) and is just a bunch of committees and special interests not competent to produce better products for consumers. No wonder Bill Gates bailed out;-)
I'm a pc tech...I've been fixing computers for awhile, so I have lots of experience repairing and using all operating systems, except Linux...I have both a newish Mac and a 3 year old system retro-fitted with Vista Home Premium...I setup new computers and diagnose problems with old ones...currently I think Vista is the system I like the most...since they issued SP1, Vista has run significantly better and most of the new Vista computers I've setup lately have had SP1 pre-installed and they run very well and have had little or no problems...I like the User Account Control feature which helps prevent STUPID users from installing spyware...most Mac users are familiar with this same type of procedure that requires an extra step when installing software...lately I've repaired quite a few XP computers that have had the latest and best security software get wrecked by damage from spyware/virus...even though a lot of companies can't switch from XP to Vista because of software or driver issues, I  think that most home users should use Vista instead of XP because of security...I think that we've turned the corner in terms of what is the best OS and I frankly think that Vista is better than either Mac, XP or Linux...Mac is still expensive...Mac has less software available...Mac is still trying to be compatible in a Windows world...XP is getting very dated...XP is quite vulnerable to virus/spyware damage...XP has more quirks related to the age of the design...Linux is just not sophisticated enough for people used to Mac or Vista...
I think Scott Durrett nails it: "I've been a software developer for over 14 years and I have converted all of my computers over to Vista without ANY problems. "
Bully for Scott, but for the rest of us, Microsoft products can be extremely problematic. The key thing is that we are not all programmers and we don't enjoy dealing with the software and we don't know what those error messages mean and we don't want to spend our time futzing around with our computer. Computer programmers may enjoy that sort of thing and know what they're looking at, but most of us do not. Sure, I can change my oil and pump my own gas too, but I'm not an auto-mechanic and I don't want to work on my car, either. Computers, like cars, are a tool that we want to just work -- turn the key and it starts. Period. Microsoft needs to understand that about its customers.
News Flash **** Vista really is not bad. In fact it is 1. Easier to use than XP for non techies, 2. Faster, yes I said FASTER than XP. 3. Does not slow down like XP does, 4. Has a better updating process 5. Family controls. 6.  I can go on and on!!  SO SHUT THE ^$%#$#%^ hell up about VISTA not being good!  IT IS GREAT!!
I'm a software engineer.

This time I made a right choice, I bought an IMac, it has 1gb ram and 200gb hard disk, I even use LogicPro/FinalCut and have multiple apps open at the same time, Mac has not let me down yet.

I do have Parallel installed with XP in my mac - I just wanted to use programs like DBArtisan/Toad/XmlSpy that are available only for windows.

I indeed find VISTA very very slow, I advised 4 of my friends specifically to ask for XP while buying DELL, but they did not, and now they are living with the consequences.
Get over it people.  Two points.

Fist, I'm sure that there were people who liked Windows 3.1 at one time.  Does that mean we should still be using Windows 3.1?  I don't think so.  Yes, Windows Vista is different from Windows XP.  Duh!!!  Well, move on and get used to Vista now.

Second, I really get ticked off by people who compare Windows with Mac OS.  Let's think about that a second.  Mac OS works on how many different computers?  Yes, that's right.  Just one.  Now how many computers does Windows have to work on?  That's right.  All the rest.  You try to make an operating system that works with all the rest and see how good a product you come up with.
 
Hewlet packard and vista, what a matching pair turds
Vista s*cks.  Period.  I have machines that run both XP and Vista and I can tell you that I only use the Vista machines when I have no choice.  It's much too difficult to find stuff or get anything done with Vista, while XP is much more intuitive.  And it's not just because I know XP better than Vista.  I've been with Windows since V3.0 and this is the first new version I have absolutely hated rather than cheerfully embraced.  To Microsoft: Vista smells!  It's a nightmare!  When I get my new laptop in a few months, the first thing I plan to do is wipe Vista off the disk and install my old verion of XP, and good ridance to Vista!
I have Vista on three machines in my house - two have Vista Home Basic, one has Home Premium. The other users in my home are not the most computer-savvy, so they are happy with the fact that Vista seems to do what they want it to do. I have SP1 on my laptop, and made the mistake of trying to install it through Windows Update. After that debacle (and restoring the machine to its previous state) I downloaded SP1 directly from Microsoft and burned it to a CD. After turning off EVERYTHING (and I do mean everything - even most services that were running at the time), SP1 installed and ran flawlessly. It's a very stable machine now, on a par with XP. I've also played with Linux, and while it has made great strides on the desktop it's still not capable of doing what I want it to do (among other things, a stable wi-fi connection and VPN). While I think Linux will continue to improve, I think Vista is going to be the de facto standard for the foreseeable future, and will probably even prevail over Windows 7 (which will be nothing more than a re-hashed Vista).
Look, the Mojave thing is right.  Everyone thinks Vista stinks, but if you've used it, it is much, much better than XP, particularly running Outlook.  Crashes are far less frequent--about the same as on my home mac--and everything is easier.  The search component is not a memory hog and integrates easily with Outlook.  The anti-Microsoft backlash has gotten to be "popular" so everyone does it... People need to relax about Microsoft and evaluate their products like they do everyone else's.
Vista has SECURITY, at least compared to XP. What you get is a system that isn't red meat for virus hackerd. When Vista was being developed, everyone was ranting about virus and worms destroying desktop computing. Microsoft respomded with MAJOR under the hood work. You just don't see it. So they added a little eye candy to give you something you did see, that is not the reason to switch, the reason to switch is your computer and data is much safer. I don't know about you, but restoring from backup scares me, I have had a few bad experiences with "foolproof" backup software. I would much rather never have to do it.

Oh, by the way, Vista runs fine with me, printer, external drive, sync with my Palm, bluetooth headphones, everything just worked, including an old joystick that never worked right on XP.

I do software development on Vista and Linux, run a two different web servers on Vista, no problem, they run fine while I am watching a Netflix Instant Movie coming off the web.

Not saying everyone has had the same experience, but that is mine.
I, like Eric from Tulsa, am STILL telling my customers to stay away from Vista, if they can. The problem now is that Microsoft has essentially forced hardware vendors to stop offering XP as an option. I handle software support for 1,000 business customers. We are part of a HUGE public Corp. There isn't a day go by that I don't get a call from a customer who just bought a new machine with some form of VISTA on it. It's always the same. I can't get this to work or that to work. I tell them to call Microsoft, knowing that won't help. And my support calls have increased DRAMITICALLY with Vista machines, even after SP1.  Even internally we have to turn off the UAC to get most of our software to run correctly. Even then I still get calls from employees saying something to the effect 'it's telling me that some software is trying to do something, do I want to allow this?' In a lot of cases it's Microsoft's own software asking for permission to run itself. ARE YOU SERIOUS? Vista is the worst OS since ME. Vista is also the first thing Microsoft has done to FORCE me to SERIOUSLY consider getting a Mac for my personal use. Corporate is stuck with Microsoft, can't help them, but I can sure make my life easier and it won't be with Vista.
Please be aware that Microsoft has a lot of money and resources. They pay companies to go into blogs and comment areas and praise Vista. The fact of the matter still remains: Vista was a horrible mistake. Also if these people were given just a regular computer from Best Buy or Circuit City, unmodified without an expert to guide them through, they would have been sorely disappointed.
When my XP laptop died I was truly scared to buy a new machine with Vista from all of the negative advertising (mostly by Apple).  I have yet to have  apsingle problem with Vista.  The laptop I bought is by no means a powerhouse and runs Vista Home Premium flawlessly.  I have heard upgrades to be a problem, but really think most of Vista's bad press comes from clever, trendy Apple ad campaigns.
The one thing I hate about Microsoft O.S is the rut they build up over time. Your OS right out of the box is not the same after 6 months of use.

I was using Vista Business in a MacBookPro using Boot Camp. Windows explorer had a bug which drove me nuts(it would show all files in c:\ as Photo images and I had no way to fix this mess).  Even if I reset this, it would change its mind the next time I boot up, it would revert back to the photo image layout.

The amount of memory it took to do the day to day stuff was getting idiotic at some point, that I went back to OS X, installed VMWare Fusion and XP Service pack 3. I have allocated only 512MB for the XP VM and its 10 times faster than Vista running native.

Also Vista seems to have some power management issues with Macs.  The MacbookPro gets super hot when using Vista, while running OS X, the battery and heat are well under control!

There is something wrong with Vista? News to me. 15 machines all running fine and secure.

Mac? With chili or cheese?
Might just be time MS scraped the nt kernal and started from scratch instead of recycling a 25 year old core!  
Every Vista "nightmare" has to do with drivers that should be supplied by a third-party; how is this Microsoft's fault?  Also a laugh to see the Mac fanboys claiming that MS releases products before they are ready; try using MobileMe from Apple recently???
My company loaded Vista on 99.99% of the computers. They didn't work as they needed to for weeks. They didn't get the network working correctly until they "down" graded to XP. There was one computer (0.01%) in the company that worked flawlessly during this mess - mine. My MacBook Pro with OS 10.5.4 didn't have a single problem.
I don't think the software itself is a major issue I think the pricing you pay and then have to deal with all those headaches is what bothers a lot of consumers.  Why pay a hefty price only to get something that doesn't work properly.  I think if they lowered there prices a alot they would get more conversions over to it.  For me I am not paying 300 to 400 hundred dollars for an OS thats testy at best.
It amazes me that sensible people can't think logically to see right through these Microsoft bashers who flood every forum they can find.  Here's the formular for those who can't figure it out; Fact 1...Each package of Vista (Home Premium, let's say) is identical, no matter where you live or where you buy it.  Fact 2...Half the responders have no trouble with it at all and thinks Vista's great.  The other half have all kinds of problems with it, and therefore say Vista sucks.  Fact 3...What does that tell us about the other half?  Either they have no idea what they're doing and frankly shouldn't even own a computer, or they actually do know what they're doing, and they're lying just to bash Microsoft.
Just because it works for you doesn't mean it works for everybody.  

I truly believe M$ has enough deep pockets to pay people to come on blogs like this and tell everybody how great Vista is.  Shilling is commonplace among corporations that want to pump up their image and hype the latest thing.  Vista is no exception.
Very few problems with Vista so far... only issues are not being able to use my older Handspring Visor, and UMAX scanner. I've retained an older Win98 PC for the scanner, and installed a version of Vector Linux (vectorlinux.com) for coding, surfing and using the Visor. VL runs some Windows programs (even some newer games) better, too, with Wine 1.0 installed!

It really bothered me when I had to look around for a Vista Recovery CD image on the web! The bloody thing didn't even ship with the computer... a bad setup for OEM users. Not a good move, MS.

Oh yeah... I also use the 64 Studio Linux (64studio.com) distro in a partition. I highly recommend it if you're looking to get your hands dirty with some very powerful multimedia apps, without wasting hundred$ of dollar$ on similarly powerful commercial versions. I can use the money saved on appropriate outboard hardware instead, which is more important when audio/video production is involved.

So folks, don't worry... if you love running several OS's like me, you can still do so with Vista on the same PC. Just make sure you have the Vista Recovery disk!
Down with Vista!  I am no computer genius-my skills are mostly elsewhere.  It would be nice to have a system that works easily and is easy to navigate.  Like my Windows 93 that I sometimes long for.  I now have a Lenovo with Vista pre-installed.  No defrag option (unless you buy it), S-L-O-W to boot up, play games, shut down, & start programs, multiple mysterious processes working all the time to tie up system so much it often locks up on Age of Empires (a game with official Microsoft ties)!  Hard to find files, can't download anything from jpg's to exe's, poorly arranged file system, oh yeah and Lenovo screwed me out of a $300 rebate, too (admittedly not Microsoft's problem, but it was all a package deal).  Sometimes I miss the stone age.
Vista might work fine for most people with the appropriate hardware, but it still has a stigma. I remember how Radio Shack had to rush to meet the demand for the original TRS-80, and quality was low. That gave them the nickname Trash-80. Even though all their other models were great, they never overcame the stigma.

I think Vista is Microsoft's Trash-80 moment. No matter how great the operating system really has become, it will never shake the stigma.

Since Microsoft is headed by a salesman, I am not surprised to find that Microsoft thinks it can solve the Vista problem with a sales campaign. They need to do something with the product, even if it is just discontinuing it, tweaking it, giving it new icons, and reissuing it. The problem with the advertising campaign is that it conveys the message, "we aren't fixing it, we are just advertising it differently."

There is no reason why it should be so expensive or so bloated. I also don't see a need for all those versions. One version would be fine. "Home" and "business" are kinds of buyers, not kinds of users, and a person's needs don't depend on how they buy it. Going home from the office doesn't involve a lobotomy. It shouldn't result in a reduced feature set, either.
I love reading this comments.  I also get a kick out of the ones that are either written by Microsoft shills/trolls  (I just love Vista and never have any issues, ever, honest.   signed annon. LOL)

Seriously, I see a lot of people that like Vista, but they usually indicate that they are techs. Or at the very least, very into computers.    

Me, I am an engineer, but my focus is else where. I just need my systems to work.  :And work easy.    My older computer has enough trouble running XP with all the virus and spyware apps that keep hogging the cpu (making it run at 100%) thus stopping everything else.   Even Microsoft does not seem to be able to fix these issues.

I don't dare move "up"? to Vista.  Maybe by the time "7" comes around, I will be ready. ???

Just a thought.
It's funny to me that alot of the people who complain about operating systems have bought computers from garbage companies like Compaq, HP, and Dell that are loaded with tons of extra junk that are not from Microsoft.  They are also such "experts" that they need the Geek Squad to install RAM for them.  If thet aren't capable of something as simple as opening a case and popping RAM into a slot, how can they justify making technical opinions on any operating system?  

Suggestions:
1) if you can't build your own machine, get one from a local dealer that will confiqure the computer for you. (as well as save you alot of money)

2) Stop pressing "yes" or "continue" without reading what process you are about to start

3) Stop looking at free porn and stealing movies without thinking of the consequences of navigating to shady sites or downloading peer to peer software

4) System restore is not a substitute for a virus scan or regular system maintenance

5) NEVER EVER call yourself an expert in computers.  There are always people who know infinately more than you
I think this is a horribly deceptive campaign and MS should face some kind of public embarrassment in the form of forced disclosure or unfavorable news reports. From the very premise right down to the way the subjects appear on screen.. I'm sure the people who engineered this campaign think they did such a clever job but what they've made is an example of how not to make ethical promotions.

If Mohave was actually a distribution of Linux or something, then it would be fair game. As it is though, it's yet another case of "advertising" at its worst.
Microsoft is obviously at the point of no return with Vista. Too many promises, over budgeted rewrites and not enough results.

If you can afford to own a system with a 200GB HD, 3GHz processor and 4GB RAM, you SHOULD be fine. In reality, your screen should crack from the data breaking the sound barrier flying onto it, not just perform "fine".

Trim the fat. You can't be everybodys friend. A Vista home and pro edition would help minimize the sparse problems. I stopped counting Vista versions after five, because theres only five Starburst flavors and they seem to be doing ok. We want a cheeseburger and fries, not a pan seared tilapia with a strawberry glaze, that ends up tasting like fish sticks.

I find this campaign silly, but necessary, from a company that bullied its way to the top, got cute, and now is falling behind.

Empires crumble eventually. Vista is just speeding it up. And the sooner Microsoft acknowledges it, they would scrap it, and the better off they would be.

"Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it"
        -Windows ME
I think Microsoft is missing the point that one of the biggest reasons to hold back is not wanting to shell out for better components to run it. My better machine has Vista on it, my lesser machine doesn't. Not until I get around to ugrading the hardware.

I think the haters are missing the point as well. The compatibility issues are not MS's issue, but the vendors issue.

People just cannot see the forest for the trees.
I find it interesting how it has taken Microsoft practically 20 years to come up with an OS that is as stable as XP, because this is the first reliable OS that MS has had.

Apple did it in 1984 with the Mac, so why should we all be so excited?  Relieved is more like it.

Forget Vista, it doesn't do anything more useful than XP, so why shell out the cash?

Further, I like PCs' better than Apple products because I don't like Steve Jobs telling me what is going to be under the hood, or making me send back my ipod to the "center for re-programing" just because the lousy battery needs replacing at the cost of $200.00.

Thats why Apple will never gain market share.  

Sure they make great "toys" but high school kids don't actually earn the money to buy that crap, so the demand will always be limited.

Mark my words, "Microsoft's days are numbered" because they no longer have any "killer app."

Sell your stock now while its worth something.  Once Balmer sells his, too bad.

Even MS Office is passe, my copy from 2000 works just fine and I see no reason to replace it for $1,000.00!

Moreover, everyone I am swapping documents with on a daily basis has copies of Office that are of a similar age, or older.

Once someone comes out with an office suite for Linux,  MS will be over, unless they can sue someone.
As a legit systems admin for a small company in NJ, I support 40+ desktops in a simple 4 server single domain environment.  Eric from Tulsa "supposedly" has all these certifications, but I for one doubt it highly.  Why?  Well, I have no certs, but many years(20+) of experience in the field, plus, for someone with an MCSE, I would think he'd be clearer on the 1.5 gig vs. 6 gigs debate.  Why?  Well, with disk space at incredibly low cost, why care how much space Vista takes?  I mean, c'mon, you can buy a TERABYTE (1000 gig) drive for less than $200...I paid $239 for a 1.6 gig drive in 1997 (still have the receipt).  Disk space is meaningless.  In reality, what slows down ANY computer is the bloated software that computer manufacturers insist on installing on every machine they ship.

I recently built a Vista machine with a 3Ghz Core2Duo processor, 4GB of DDR2-800 RAM, a RaptorX 10k rpm 150GB drive, Nvidia 8800GT 512MB video card, DVD drive, 600 watt power supply, Zalman CPU fan, and case for under $900.  Compared to the utter garbage that Dell sells for twice the price, this machine smokes running Vista.  (Disclosure for the geeks who get it:  yes, under 32-bit OS, Vista will only see the first 3.28 gigs of RAM, but with 4 gigs costing under $70, who cares?)

If you have reasonable skills, any person can build their own system and install the OS themselves and save a bundle.  Make no mistake, it's the junk that all major computer mfgrs. install that slow down your computer.  Uninstall the junk, or run msconfig to keep it from starting up.  Funny that the Apple brigade has chimed in...let's not forget that you pay a massive premium for a pretty case.  Mac OSX isn't exactly Speed Racer, either...plus, Apple's own Quick Time software is a memory hog, and, no matter how many times you try to prevent and disable Quick Time from running TSR at startup, it keeps putting itself back in the registry to run at startup.  Thanks, Steve Jobs!  Lastly, I don't like someone like Mr. Ultrahip West Coast jackass telling me what I can and can't run/install on MY purchase.
I use XP on a desktop and Vista on my new laptop. I like Vista much better but when I tried to upgrade to Vista on the desktop, I found I'd have to upgrade the CD/DVD player and the video card. It seems unusual because the desktop was only about a year old. No problems with Vista crashing as with XP. Much easier and more efficient to use too. I like Vista better than any version of XP by far.
"didn't Microsoft announce last week that they have made sixty billion in revenue for vista and sold over a hundred million copies.  I don't think they hurting when it comes to Vista Sales."

This also includes sales of Vista that are rolled back to XP.  So you can buy a new PC, say you want XP on it instead of Vista, and due to their roll back licensing, it still counts as a Vista sale.  

I have 5 PC's, 2 came with Vista, and they're both now dual booting XP and Vista.  I have not seen any performance improvement at all.  None of the games I have played (Battlefield 2 and 2142, Doom 3, UT3, Crysis, Quake 4, WoW, Civ4) have higher frame rates in Vista than XP.  UAC enabled by default just shows Microsoft did not want to patch their security holes with actual security, just verification prompts.  

Looking back, this Vista release looks a lot like their Windows ME release.  Everyone had 98 (or 98 SE) and were very satisfied.  ME came out and barely anyone jumped because of ease of use, security, driver support, and the fact that 98 was still suiting the computing needs of the time, just like XP is now.  

The problem Microsoft has selling Vista is that Vista offers nothing new in terms of computing for most users.  There is nothing that I NEED to have Vista for, outside of its downfalls.
Oddly, when I saw the commercial, I thought they called it Windows Mohammed.  At the end, I was wondering what the Mojave project was.  Of course, you could tell from the way the people were sitting that they weren't using the computers, just looking at them.
Everyone has a point as to why Vista fails. You either are going to get a new computer that can handle the OS and it's essentially free - you don't notice you're paying anything for it. Most people aren't running out to buy new computers just to have a new OS and the price is crippling for most average people that don't make $30+ an hour. Also, the promised discounted price was a sham as you had to look really hard to find this as they didn't explain to people where the discounted Vista is/was. Also, any new OS should have compatibility with any legacy hardware built in - scanners, printers. There should be no problems. ALSO, Mac's OS's are nice and people aren't bent on hacking them and they keep the price at $100, not $150 for an upgrade that doesn't even look nice. It's supposed to be a new sleek OS, yet you have to pay $200 for "premium" just to get the sleek looking Aero - why bother? When people upgrade they want a nice look and not have to pay extra for it in a new OS. $69.99 is all it's worth since most people will have to pay more and more for memory, printers, scanners, etc etc etc.  


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